Hurd Fork: Announcement & Invitation

[Ranvijay Kumar Vijay]

Dear All,

I've created a HURD Bazaar fork, because I've seen discussions on the net
where people didn't want to be a part of Hurd just because it requires
Copyright assignment to FSF.

I personally think they are mistaken, but have created this project to save
time from clearing their misunderstandings.

I have named it SINH (literally, Lion in Hindi language).

https://gitlab.com/rinfinity/SINH#sinh

Thanks and regards,
Ranvijay Kumar Vijay

[Almudena Garcia]

What is the difference from original GNU/Hurd?

Do you want to add any newer feature? Or improve the system solving some
problems

Post by Ranvijay Kumar Vijay
Dear All,
I've created a HURD Bazaar fork, because I've seen discussions on the net
where people didn't want to be a part of Hurd just because it requires
Copyright assignment to FSF.
I personally think they are mistaken, but have created this project to
save time from clearing their misunderstandings.
I have named it SINH (literally, Lion in Hindi language).
https://gitlab.com/rinfinity/SINH#sinh
Thanks and regards,
Ranvijay Kumar Vijay

[Amos Jeffries]

Post by Ranvijay Kumar Vijay
Dear All,
I've created a HURD Bazaar fork,

Er, are you aware that "Bazaar" is already taken by a VCS system? it is
going to be very confusing to have something called a "Bazaar fork" when
it is actually a git fork, not managed by Bazaar.

Post by Ranvijay Kumar Vijay
because I've seen discussions on the
net where people didn't want to be a part of Hurd just because it
requires Copyright assignment to FSF.
I personally think they are mistaken, but have created this project to
save time from clearing their misunderstandings.

While your intentions may be pure, this looks more like an attempted
hijack to me.

The result is likely to distract people not already involved with the
copyright disagreement and place their work into an area which cannot be
fed back to the Hurd itself. Due to the explicit copyright intentions of
those people you mention, their work and anything relying on it directly
(as the forked code would) cannot be submitted to the FSF project for
inclusion in Hurd.

So the most likely outcomes will either be a large increase in porting
work placed on the shoulders of the already limited Hurd community, or
moving control of the Hurd brand away from the FSF over to yourself.

AYJ

[Ivan Shmakov]

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Post by Amos Jeffries

because I’ve seen discussions on the net where people didn’t want to
be a part of Hurd just because it requires Copyright assignment to FSF.
I personally think they are mistaken, but have created this project
to save time from clearing their misunderstandings.

While your intentions may be pure, this looks more like an attempted
hijack to me.

So long as we stick to the essential freedoms [1], forks are
valid. They may be suboptimal investment of one’s time and
effort, but it’s in the eye of beholder, is it not?

[1] What is free software? URI: http://gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Post by Amos Jeffries
The result is likely to distract people not already involved with the
copyright disagreement and place their work into an area which cannot
be fed back to the Hurd itself. Due to the explicit copyright
intentions of those people you mention, their work and anything
relying on it directly (as the forked code would) cannot be submitted
to the FSF project for inclusion in Hurd.

Frankly, I fail to see much difference here; if one publishes
a modification for Hurd, it’s either covered by an assignment,
or it isn’t. And in the latter case, the author (or copyright
holder in general) can always assign copyright at a latter time.

So, if a contribution goes to a Hurd fork, and its author later
signs up the copyright assignment and states that that contribution
is indeed covered, the contribution can be included in GNU Hurd.

Post by Amos Jeffries
So the most likely outcomes will either be a large increase in
porting work placed on the shoulders of the already limited Hurd
community,

The only problem of sorts there’s with such forks is that if
a patch is contributed to a fork, and said patch is not covered
by a copyright assignment, then /no similar patch/ (code-wise,
not idea-wise, as copyright covers expressions, not ideas) can
enter GNU Hurd.

Post by Amos Jeffries
or moving control of the Hurd brand away from the FSF over to
yourself.

I don’t think I understand this.